Just A Quick Note UPDATED

Update in ‘striked out red’

I listened to Sen Thune speak on the Senate floor this morning and waited with baited breath for just two little words to come out of his mouth regarding the GOP’s plan for health care reform:

“NO MANDATES”

As usual..”NOPE, NA DA sorry sucker, ain’t going to stick my political neck out that far” is all I got. Just more political rhetoric, same ole speech that he regurgitated from an earlier floor speech.

Now, don’t take this wrong. I do think Sen Thune is trying, but he has yet to step completely into the “Conservative Ring” and whole heartedly promote limited government as it should be under the Constitution.

And that is why he still has not secured ny vote for 2010!

I’ll post link to the video of Sen Thunes floor speech later when it becomes available. Click here: Thune floor address begins at 1:26:10

Sure he brings up the aspect of government control and how it makes us uncomfortable, but it would have been more appropriate to call it what it is: “a fascist government take-over of the most personal aspect of our lives that is totally and unequivocally UNCONSTITUTIONAL“!

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then call it what it is…a ‘duck’! And with that I say: ‘Quit DUCKING the issue & speak the TRUTH”

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1 Peter 5: 1-3   ~   To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, serving as overseers—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock.

 

2 Peter 2: 2-3 ~ Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826)
 
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826)
 
The worst thing you can do for those you love is the things they could and should do themselves.

Abraham Lincoln (1809 – 1865)

 

 

 

 

 

A Conservative Beckel in the House?

If I hadn’t seen this with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears I would have never believed it. Oh to be a fly on the wall at this family’s reunions or holiday gatherings…

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ACORN Selects One of Their Own for Independent Investigation..UPDATE

 FOXNEWS is reporting that ACORN has selected former Ma. Attorney General Scott Harshbarger to head their independent investigation and I guess you would have to look into ACORN’s definition of ‘independent’ to understand their reasoning behind this appointment.

Now, the rational person would assume ‘independent’ to mean ‘one free of alliance to ACORN’, however when dealing with crooks, we must always assume ‘independent’ to mean ‘free from outside influence’ as to protect the crook, and so it goes…

The business wire reported in the fall of 2005:

BOSTON — Proskauer Rose LLP, an international law firm with over 700 lawyers in the U.S. and Europe, announced that former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger has joined the firm's Boston office as counsel.   (snip)    Mr. Harshbarger was most recently a partner at Boston-based Murphy, Hesse, Toomey & Lehane LLP, where he established the firm's Strategic Litigation/Corporate Governance practice, working with clients on matters involving fiduciary responsibility, governmental and fraud investigations and the development of governance programs.

 

Then let’s continue to follow-up with this tidbit:

Work-Family Council Initiative Working Paper Series

Neeta Fogg, Paul Harrington and Thomas A. Kochan1

  #0001WFC January 2004

Multi-sector participants helping todevelop and form the Massachusetts Work-Family Council currently include, but are not limited to, interested individuals associated with the following organizations:

ABCD; ACORN;…..Murphy, Hesse, Toomey & Lehane;

Massachusetts Work-Family Council Initiative

 

Digging further, we also see that Scott Harshbarger is no rookie to radical actions/activism:

  

40. Scott Harshbarger (Mass. Attorney General)

Harshbarger built a child-abuse case against a day-care center’s owners using solely testimony from forty children. Upon investigation by the show 20/20, the testimonies appear forced by Harshbarger. Harshbarger was relentless in keeping the accused behind bars, and he remains as a force in the general climate of child-abuse hysteria.

From: Philip Dhingra, “Who is in Bernard Goldberg’s 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America? And Why?”, written 8 August 2005 (http://www.philosophistry.com/specials/100-people.html):

From: “Scott Harshbarger and the Amirault Case” webpage on Zpub.com website (http://www.zpub.com/un/un-sh.html; viewed 2 December 2005):

[Stories about Scott Harshbarger and the Amirault “child abuse” case:]

…. the mockery of reason and justice — that began when District Attorney Scott Harshbarger mounted a sensational case of child sex abuse against the Amirault family, owners of the Fells Acres Day School in Malden. That was 1984. Today, Scott Harshbarger is the president of Common Cause, spokesman for all the latest in progressive-liberal enlightenment, and Gerald Amirault remains in prison, where he has been for nearly 14 years, with 20 years or more left to serve. “Governor Cellucci’s Chance“, The Wall Street Journal Thursday, April 20, 2000

“Why Swift should free Amirault” (http://boston.com/dailyglobe2/229/oped/Why_Swift_should_free_Amirault+.shtml) by James M. Shannon, Boston Globe, 8/17/2001

“Former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger made a political career by framing the Amirault family on child sex abuse charges.” [from] “The Private Use of Public Policy” (http://www.independent.org/tii/news/ibd_roberts1.html) by Paul Craig Roberts

Massachusett’s Scott Harshbarger, who built the fictional case against the Amirault family. Issue # 97 (http://www.crimlaw.org/defbrief97.html)

 

And most recently we find this connection of corruption:

Florida bank regulators gave Allen Stanford unusual powers |

 

Jul 6, 2009 … Thomas Sjoblom of Proskauer Rose is pointed to in both the SEC and FBI filings

 

Yep, birds of a feather, stick together. Especially when it involves government corruption.

 UPDATE: Published: Friday, September 6, 2002

  • Mercer Delta history and Delta Partners connection to ACORN & PHARMA
  • So, after running a consulting form, he steps down to lobby, but not until he had taken the opportunity to learn the inner workings of government corruption and how to side step the law. Now I wonder how much he really knows about the Madoff scheme and whatr he is protecting for the current firm he is with as stated above.

    Hawaii Five Uh-Oh…

    Leo Donofrio is on the case helping Hawaii’s newest patriot [PI] fighting crime, Ms Tickly aka TerriK, who has caught the Hawaiian officials red handed in covering up vital facts of Obama’s birth records and his ineligibility for POTUS:

    Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.

    Posted in Uncategorized on September 21, 2009 by naturalborncitizen

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    I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)

    Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.

    I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).

    click here for the complete article at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

    Obama: “I’ve pushed people on the idea of paying higher taxes in order to implement the system.”

    H/T Gateway Pundit:

    In a speech he gave in April 2007 Obama said that health care reform “would require tax hikes” and that “savings are just a theory.”

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    Social Darwinism and the American Constitution

    The Undoing of American Constitutionalism

    How a political revolution begun more than a century ago led to Sonia Sotomayor.

    By Richard M. Reinsch

     

    Those who were desperately confused, if not enraged, by candidate Barack Obama’s contention that the ideal federal judge should fashion his opinion in empathy with the more downtrodden and oppressed party in a case should consult Bradley Watson’s Living Constitution, Dying Faith: Progressivism and the New Science of Jurisprudence to understand how the man who has become president could assert the primacy of personal opinion over law. Watson’s book daringly asks what social Darwinism and pragmatism have to do with the progressivist evolution in American politics and jurisprudence during the 20th and 21st centuries. Together they were, Watson argues, akin to an intellectual tsunami that shaped, developed, and still informs, albeit in evolved modalities, the dominant understanding of the American constitutional order (or lack thereof) held by the judicial, academic, and political classes. Strange as it might seem, Watson convincingly shows how these philosophical schools flowed into the main currents of American political and judicial thinking.

    The social-Darwinist ingredient in progressive jurisprudence is the notion of the state as an organic principle, informed by the general will of society and by the particular facts, circumstances, and history of a people. Subject to no fixed limits, eschewing belief in objective justice, the state follows a path of incessant growth and flexibility, limited only by the ever-changing needs of society. As dictated by the laws of progress and evolution, the state moves society along an inevitable ascent. By application of “scientific” expertise and rationalizing administration, government directs this growth. Expressly left behind is Madisonian constitutionalism and its notions of natural rights, limited government, the rule of law, prevention of faction, and vigilance against the possibility of overly centralized and unaccountable government.

    Watson marshals the speeches and writings of Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, and the jurisprudence of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, among others, as evidence for his claim of the pervasive influence of social Darwinism in the intellectual cocktail that is progressivism. As Wilson demonstrates, the progressives sought to move the energy of government from the democratic branches to the bureaucracy. Insulated from politics and popular opinion, federal bureaucrats would engage in the scientific administration of government — the overriding ethos of progressivism. The expert and, in time, the judge would supply regulations and orders to fill the multiplying and unruly (i.e., unregulated) gaps of modern industrialized society. Thus, the real purpose of politics under progressivism informed by social Darwinism is not justice, or the preservation of personal and economic liberty — those worthless dregs of past history — but the infusion into federal and state governments of the substantive powers needed to achieve the perfection of government administration. 

    There was, however, that second element informing progressive thought. Almost seamlessly interwoven with the evolutionary ideal of social-Darwinian ideology, pragmatism equally challenged the fixed understanding of America’s constitutional order. William James — the pragmatist par excellence — brilliantly summarized this school of thought with his statement that ideas “become true just in so far as they help us to get into a satisfactory relation with other parts of our experience.” More succinctly, “The reason why we call things true is the reason that they are true.” Virtually synonymous with the idea that state and society are to be subjected to ongoing experimentalism, pragmatism, like social Darwinism, embraced the idea of ceaseless adaptation and change. It presented the state as the entity most capable of selecting the optimal arrangements for meeting the challenges of new social, political, economic, and technological circumstances. Devastatingly absent was any consideration of the ends or purposes of democratic deliberation. For the pragmatist, the Constitution and its express limits on democratic energy must be negated lest necessary and positive change be wrongly arrested.

    For the pragmatist, the importance of democratic thought and choice is not in the considerations of justice or law, not with final causes or transcendent purpose, which informs past understandings and meanings, but pure practicality. Moving with the inherent flux of the times determines the emphasis for law and politics. The truth of ideas and the validity of political and economic movements are now to be found in the actual successes these movements have in achieving practical operations. As Justice Holmes articulated the rationale for the protection of free speech, “If in the long run the beliefs expressed in proletarian dictatorship are destined to be accepted by the dominant forces of the community, the only meaning of free speech is that they should be given their chance and have their way.” In response to Justice Holmes’s constitutional nominalism, Watson deftly notes, “If the Constitution — or the presently established constitutional order — is itself neutral or indifferent on this question [i.e., legitimate government], what is the basis for a constitutional ruling in favor of a First Amendment claim?” Indeed, progressivism’s pervasive skepticism ends in denying the philosophical grounding of constitutionalism and its animating principle — the rule of law. This, Watson argues throughout the book, is the damage rendered to American constitutionalism by progressivism and its twinned social-Darwinian and pragmatist components.

    Against these apostles of ceaseless adaptation, progress, and organic growth of the state loom the men who framed America’s constitutional order and its underlying philosophy. Watson synthesizes the varying rationales for liberty held by the Founders under the overarching understanding they held of man’s natural rights in his property and person, and the corollary that government must secure these rights and, in turn, defend citizens from the government itself. However, this conception of government as necessary to the protection of man’s natural rights, but also preternaturally dangerous because of man’s vice-ridden passions and propensity to form factions, is simply incompatible with progressivism. Under the latter’s dispensation, the citizen now joins in an undulating partnership with the government, under the administration of experts whose intervention actualizes the liberty and self-development of persons and groups. From this perspective, natural rights are seen more as the negation rather than the fulfillment of freedom. James Madison has been thrown into the dock.

    Abraham Lincoln also stands athwart progressive ideology in his attempts to reground American politics on a firmer understanding of the singular dignity of the person. Through the spoken word and through his statesmanship, Lincoln rearticulated the natural basis of republican government, and the goods it must secure and the evils it must crush if it is to endure. Noteworthy is Watson’s contention that after the victory over the slaveholding South, Lincoln’s recovery of the political justice of the Declaration of Independence was rejected by the rising tide of progressivism in the decades following his presidency. The denatured person seen by progressivism requires an unlimited government to deploy the operations and powers necessary to unlock social progress.

    The spillover to our time can be seen in Justice Sotomayor’s statement to a group of law clerks that the appellate courts are where policy is made. Justice Sotomayor was merely following her progressive teachers, who have risen to dominance in American law schools and courts. Their continuing attempt to replace constitutionalism now finds its purest and most honest expression with those federal judges who openly equate judicial power with politics and policy. Watson’s scholarship exposes the intellectual stair-stepping that has taken us to the brink of this dangerous precipice.

    — Richard M. Reinsch is a program officer at Liberty Fund, and author of the forthcoming Whittaker Chambers: The Spirit of a Counter-Revolutionary, to be published by ISI Books. 

    “Liberty is to Faction What Air is to Fire” James Madison, 1787

    Today is Constitution Day. It was on this day, September 17, 1787, that the Constitution emerged for the first time from the convention in Philadelphia, Pa. Our blessed Constitution that was written not by men of all the same political faction, however, a coalition of men of many political factions, working together to “Form A More Perfect Union” and it was up to ‘We the People” to ensure its long lasting existence.

    Fast forward 222 years…

    When political factions collide, there is bound to be discontent of some sort on one side or the other. Political factions also can be very dangerous to liberty if abused such as they are today. However, given time, the oppressing faction will soon be diminished in numbers if true liberty is let to run its natural course.

    The Federalist Papers, a series of essays that the framers published in newspapers across the colonies, are the blue print to the Constitution. Hamilton & Madison wrote extensively on divide between political factions and the need for them to ensure liberty under the Constitutional Republic. In Federalist #10, Madison gives us a ‘right in your face’ clue as to the importance of keeping one political faction from taking over another:

    “By a faction I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united in and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community…

    …Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an ailment without which it instantly expires…

    …As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed. As long as the connection subsists between his reason and his self-love, his opinions and his passions will have a reciprocal influence on each other; and the former will be objects to which the latter will attach themselves.”

    Today, the debate between the divides is at a critical crossroads. On one side, we have the progressive/socialist faction; who are seeking to extinguish the flame of liberty of the conservatives. Helping the socialistic faction are those in the middle who are content to remain oblivious until the day, they too, will wake up to liberties lost.

    To wake up the sleeping centrists, we must turn to education. The education of our history and how the wheels of liberty are suppose to be turning in Washington.

    For this we shall start back in 1772. 

    On November 20, 1772 in Boston, Ma., the colonists ratified the very first ‘Rights of the Colonists’. In correspondence to the Monarchy in Great Britain, the colonists also included a laundry list of violations of their individual rights. Reading the list of violations is like reading the laundry list of violations of the Declaration of Independence. This is no coincidence. I believe the original “Rights of the Colonists’ paved the way to the Revolution.

    Here are a few snippets from that fateful correspondence:

    “The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man; but only to have the law of nature for his rule… 

    …It is the greatest absurdity to suppose it on the power of one or any number of men at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights when the great end of all civil government from the very nature of its institution is for the support, protection and defence of those rights: the principal of which as is before observed, are life, liberty and property. If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave…

    …The absolute rights of all free men, in or out of Civil society, are principally personal security, personal liberty and private property…

    …The Legislative has no right to absolute arbitrary power over the lives and fortunes of the people.”

    I could go on further, however, I leave you with the link for further reading. This was absolutely mind blowing to me to see in written word, several years before the revolution that the seeds of independence were sprouting amongst the colonists. The similarities of what happened those 237 years ago, when the colonists first wrote to Great Britain, to what is happening today is nothing short of a shout out to Americans today of what will come if we do not get the governments in our states and in DC under control and off the path of tyranny.

    Returning back to the Federalist Papers, we again see the correlation of then and now when Madison speaks out in essay #84 of the dangers of an all intrusive central government into the most personal aspects of our lives.

    “It is evident therefore, that, according to their primitive signification, they have no application to constitutions, professedly founded upon the power of the people and executed by their immediate representatives and servants. Here, in strictness, the people surrender nothing; and as they retain everything they have no need of particular reservations, ‘We the People of the United States, to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, so ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America… 

    … a Constitution like that under consideration, which is merely intended to regulate the general political interests of the nation, than to a constitution which has the regulation of every species of personal and private concerns…

    …There remains but one other view of this matter to conclude the point. The truth is, after all the declamations we have heard, that the Constitution is itself, in every rational sense, and to every useful purpose, A BILL OF RIGHTS… 

    …This is done in the most ample and precise manner in the plan of the convention; comprehending various precautions for the public security which are not to be found in any of the State constitutions. Is another object of the bill of rights to define certain immunities and modes of proceeding, which are relative to personal and private concerns? This we have seen has also been attended to in a variety of cases in the same plan. Adverting therefore to the substantial meaning of a bill of rights, it is absurd to allege that it is not found in the work of the convention.”

    Indeed, a limited government that has no power to circumvent the natural rights of man by passing legislation that would assume control over the most private aspects of our lives. I ask, is not the control over our physical well being not the most personal and private aspect of our God given inalienable rights? Where is it in the enumerated rights of Congress listed in Article I of the Constitution, that “We the People” gave up our right to make the most personal decisions of our lives? Was there an amendment passed that we do not know about?

    What is happening today is nothing short of tyranny, however, the progressive / socialists try to pass it off as liberty. To them, liberty through tyranny is acceptable; because in their minds, they truly believe, they are liberating us from what they have now deemed an undue financial burden which ironically was created by none other than themselves, our elected representatives.

    These representatives use trickery with words in which the founding fathers frequently refer to as ‘mischief’. They use lobbyists and lawyers to write legislation that is so obscenely obtrusive and of gigantic length to hide from the public, and themselves, the true dastardly ramifications of its contents. This problem is not limited to the progressive/socialistic faction; the so-called conservatives are just as guilty when it comes to kowtowing to political lobbyists.

    In Federalist # 62, Hamilton calls out this problem of allowing such obscure and lengthy legislation to be passed.

    “It is a misfortune incident to republican government, though in a less degree than to other governments, that those who administer it may forget their obligations to their constituents, and prove unfaithful to their important trust…

    …The eternal effects of a mutable policy are still more calamitous. It poisons the blessings of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws are so voluminous that they can not be read, or so incoherent that they can not be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or under go such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?” 

    What else did the founding fathers have to say of the contents of such tyrannical legislation you ask? What of the effects of legislation that excludes certain body politic from having to comply? 

    Again, Madison expounds on the tendency of the elected few to elevate themselves at the expense of the masses. 

    “I will add, as a fifth circumstance in the situation of the House of Representatives, restraining them from oppressive measures, that they can make no law which will have not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of society. This has always been deemed one of the strongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interests and sympathy of sentiments, of which few governments have furnished examples; but without which every government degenerates into tyranny.” 

    Never has it been more true than today, that we can unequivocally say that political elitists have usurped their duty to represent ‘WE the PEOPLE’. They were elected on false pretense and have now been exposed.

    They are working to reduce our God given physical beings into nothing more than chattel. To them we are just another commodity to regulate for their own personal political and financial gain. 

    If such Orwellian legislation with mandates into the most intimate aspect of our personal lives passes, they shall have achieved the ultimate tyranny against God’s free people.

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    2 Peter 2:18-20 (King James Version)  ~  For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    You Will ‘NOT’ Be Required?

    If nothing is required, how come it shows up 84 times in the current bill?

    Here are a few of the requirements as stated by Betsy McCaughy at the 9-12 Rally in DC.

    In Thursady’s post, we will take a visit to the past. We will see through their own words, just what the founding fathers thought of government intrusion into our personal lives and the unconstitutionality of legislation that ‘REQUIRES’ citizens to pay taxes/fines regarding ‘private & personal concerns’.

    Metal Meets Asphalt & Everyone Is A Critic These Days!

    Thanks for all the comments to my 9-12 Rally post. I erred in posting a photo of another event and so please accept my apologies. It has been a strenuous week and here is why, so please be forgiving when commenting in the future if you do not know what is happening in the life of the person on the other end of the PC screen.

    The Lord had his hand over this big rig. It was a single vehicle accident,  the driver is ok, other than being a bit blind in one eye now for now until the surgery is done to re-attach his retna tomorrow, the 14 yr old dalmation is running chasing the farm cats as normal already and the customer’s load was not lost so life is good. God blessed us this past week and we are very greatful.

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     So, it has been a long week of tireless hours nursing a loved one and with that I ask you now for a bit of self reflection before posting and calling me something I am not. I made an honest mistake and that is that. If you want to go after corruption & liars…slam the e-mails of your representatives in DC..ALL OF THEM! JUST SAY ‘NO’ TO ANY TYPE OF HEALTH SCARE RIGHT NOW WHILE THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS ARE IN CHARGE!

    Conservative Patriots v. Government Trough Feeders / 9~12 Rally Coverage UPDATED W/ CORRECTION

     
    Trash and other debris scattered across the National Mall after obama inauguration ceremony

    Post Inauguration 1-20-2009

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    9-12-2009 Post Rally

     

    They say a picture is worth a thousand words. These pictures are worth trillions. 

    If those that have no respect for others are allowed to illegally ram through their progressive, socialistic, fascist, marxist legislation then our entire country will soon look like this garbage filled wasteland instead of the pristine country she does when true constitutional conservatives at the wheel.

    The last twitter report I read said that the DC police were reporting that the 9-12 rally numbers exceeded the inauguration numbers, so it will be interesting to see what the final numbers really are. There should be updates on FOX this evening.

    Rep. Marsha Blackburn ~ “You have redefined  ‘gridlock’ in Washington, DC!”

    NRO Report ~ Perhaps the most interesting thing about the crowd was how friendly and civil it was.

    UK MailOnline ~ Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama’s spending in ‘tea-party’ demonstration

    Conservative rally post clean-up-what clean-up

    Click Image for C-Span Coverage 2:50 minutes long

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    FROM COMMENTERS MIKE & BOB:This is the Stand in the Gap Photo from 1997 not the 9/12 event. SORRY IF THIS PHOTO CAUSED CONFUSION, I HAD PULLED THIS OFF A FREEPERS THREAD, SO PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES.

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